Thursday, March 29, 2012

Our lives at the start are not really our own but only the continuation of someone else's story

Alright Thirteenth Tale, you win. I liked you. I don't know why it means you win. but that does seem accurate. Because I started this with a lot of wtf and eye rolls. But as Miss Winter says, I should probably start at the beginning

I can't remember exactly why I picked this book up. I knew it was a fairly popular book, although I can't actually remember seeing any reviews of it. I do seem to remember it was a book for book lovers and it has ghosts and secrets and "gothic strangeness" (so says the back of the book). It's a book I'm drawn to but not immediately taken with. However this copy was on a remainder table and a sale always gets me. So I picked this up. Then Alice of Reading Rambo suggested I read Turn of the Screw first so I put the book down intent on really doing this. And then months passed and I hadn't read either book. Last week I decided screw it, I'm just going to read The Thirteenth Tale without having done my homework first. (Umm Alice, my dog ate it...)

When I started the book I was very...unhappy with it. I hate the narrator. She annoyed me so much and pretty much anytime she was talking (and being the narrator it was fairly frequent) I would find my mind wandering. I'd put down the book and stare into space. You'd think it'd be easy to pay attention to a book when I'm sitting on a train and have nothing else to do but at times I was like "I could keep reading, but I think I should stare at this brick wall for awhile instead of seeing what else Margaret has to say". Luckily a lot of the book is made up of other people telling Margaret stories, so there are large chunks where she's not around at all. I loved these parts.

Quick summary: One day Margaret gets a letter from Miss Vida Winter, a famous and much loved author, asking Margaret to act as biographer. Miss Winter has always been a bit of a mystery but in her last days she's ready to tell the truth. So Margaret learns Miss Winter's history, which involves unruly twins, possible ghosts and a fire that destroyed the Angelfield estate.

Miss Winter's stories are fantastic. I was sucked into that world completely. Even when it got weird and incesty. Because it gets weird and incesty at times people. You learn about this house that is full of secrets and ghosts and a lot of very neglectful parents. You also get to hear stories from a man that grew up just outside the grand estate, an orphan who never knew his family and had been trying to untangle that mystery for years. Whenever we got these stories, things were great. Whenever Margaret showed up and spent way too long talking about sharpening pencils, I started to wander. Because seriously? Pencil sharpening? Why was there more than 1/2 a sentence about that?

While I overall enjoyed the story, there were problems with it. Little things (other than Margaret sucking) that made me stop and go "Wait, what?"

-The book talks about twins. A lot. At one point there's a description of twins and about how twins are created when a cell that's supposed to be one splits into two. Which yes, that's how identical twins are created. Not fraternal though. So you're partially right. Of course she then goes on to talk about how twins are completed and everyone else is a sad shadow of a person, incomplete, because they don't have a twin and that's why people form relationships and get married and such. Because twins never do that.

-The incesty stuff, although I suppose that's supposed to make you go "wait, what?" And it's never explicit. Merely implied.

-Some of the things Setterfield describes that are supposed to be very deep end up unintentionally hilarious. They may seem good on paper, but as soon as you try to picture someone doing this, it's all lost. For example, in Miss Winter's story the twins had been separated and are then reunited. They are so happy to be back together that they hold each other, staring into each others eyes for 24 hours. And they blink in unison. Take a second and just picture 2 people holding each other, staring into each others eyes and blinking in unison for hours on end. Takes away some of the power of that reunion doesn't it?

-Margaret is sort of obsessed with books. To the point of ridiculousness and this is coming from someone that writes a book blog and LOVES books. But at one point she talks about how she's such an inveterate reader that she can't help but traipse through this overgrowth to read a memo posted on a dilapidated house. Really? She loves reading THAT much that she MUST read this memo? Not because she's curious about the memo. It's her need to read that makes her do this. Of course this contradicts her earlier saying she doesn't read the contemporary novels that are at her father's bookstore.

It was an entertaining book. It's not the most bestest book ever. It's not the best written, there are inconsistencies and obv I hated the narrator (have I not been clear on that yet?) but I still enjoyed it. And I didn't see the twist coming so touche.

Title quote from page 58

Setterfield, Diane. The Thirteenth Tale. Washington Square Press, 2006.

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I'm glad to hear that you ended up enjoying it afterall. I totally agree that the twin talk was way outta control. I think if I heard Margaret go on end about the twin she never met one more time.. I'd scream. I remember her moping a lot. I really enjoyed the stranger (giant man); although, I can't remember his name. I think the story really drew me in as a I-have-to-know-what-happens-NOW kind of way. I was told to tackle The Woman in White before going into it because she's certainly heavy handed with the references there. However, I did so afterwards and loved it more. Definitely a strange one, but entertaining nonetheless.
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I was so annoyed at Margaret and her just whiny ness about losing a twin that she never knew ever. I thought maybe I was being insensitive but that annoyed me to no end. And technically a lot of births start as twins except one twin eats the other. (Or at least the cells from one reabsorb the others.) Of course those are fraternal cases and those twins don't count. They're wannabe twins.

I really liked giant man (Aurelies) and his story and he was so sweet and kind.

I'm doing the Woman in White readalong next month, so maybe I'll see this book in a new light after that.
This was influenced by ALL THE THINGS. And THE TWIST. I love twists and I love people talking about how kickass books are, and this has BOTH OF THOSE. I'm glad you didn't hate it. Score ONE.
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There was something about the way Margaret talked about the kickass-ness of books that got to me. It felt like there wasn't enthusiasm there. Just a smuggness to how great books are and if you were a good person you would realize it. She obviously never said this but I think this had a lot to do with why I didn't like Margaret (that and her whining/moping and her twin stuff).
There was some section I reeeeeally liked, and if I had my book journal with me (what I did pre-book blog), I could tell you which one. Work, you ruin everything.
I keep hearing that I should read this from people, I don't exactly know who. I picked it up, and I feel not at all compelled to read it. However, your list of good Gothic-ness at the end made me feel slightly more compelled. And I like Turn of the Screw. But I like Figure in the Carpet better (and it's shorter). Read that one.
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If you can get past the narrator and just focus on the parts where she's not around, it's a good story. Although I could never tell the the time period this thing is supposed to be set in. I don't know if that was a stylistic choice or if the author just isn't great at details.

I need those Henry James books to fall into my lap. I'm not against reading them, I'm just too lazy to go after them.
I read this a while back b/c I had heard a lot about it, but was really unimpressed. I was annoyed with Margaret and the whole thing just kind of bored me. I did exactly what you did and would just stop and stare off into space instead of reading onward. It was a very forgettable read for me, in that I remember not liking it, but don't remember enough of it to actually DISlike it.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who preferred staring into space instead of reading more of Margaret's whining. I liked the parts without Margaret but any time she showed up again I would stare into space.
Not sure I want to read this now. A couple of people at my work read it and thought it was great, but this is the first time I've ever actually heard what this story is about. I dislike an annoying narrator. I still might read it though... Eventually...

Also, you should read Turn of the Screw. I don't know how it's like Thirteenth Tale, but it's great. Short, but with a lot of creepy. It made me read more by James.
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I enjoyed the book, I don't regret reading it but I won't be pressing this into everyone's hands and demanding they read it. The narrator is a lot of the reason I didn't like this book more. The parts where she's listening to someone else's story (and thus isn't talking or narrating) were good. Anytime she spoke it was ugh.

OK now loads of people are telling me I need to read Turn of the Screw. I'll need to push it up on my tbr. And hope I find a copy on sale somewhere
A couple of years ago (2009 maybe?) this was the ONLY fiction book I read. Crazy, right?
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Haha wow, yes that is crazy. Not bad crazy just I can't imagine reading that much non-fiction.
So... the narrator is really good? Haha, I'm so hilarious! I'm not sprinting out to buy this, but I do like twin things, probably only because of Sweet Valley High but I am all fascinated by twins and secretly believe that everyone who isn't a twin is a bit incomplete... ALSO, is the incest between some twins? Because I've read *that* book, it's The God of Small Things which is very very very excellent!
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I'm not sure if I was clear about how I feel about this narrator :)

The incest is not between the twins. Luckily? I guess. I can't decide if it would be worse or the same if it was between identical twins. Now I'm going to noodle that for awhile.

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