Sunday, October 27, 2013
Wedding Update: Name Changing
I had mentioned in an earlier post how I had thoughts about name changing but I would save them for another time. Now seems to be a good time.
See, I'm not really sure what I'd like to do regarding my last name.
Should I keep it? I am lazy, and this route means I don't have to change anything. I've had people tell me it's really not that hard to change your name on things, but you know what? I don't believe any of you. I'm sure these places make it as easy as possible, except I STILL have to go to the DMV. And the passport office. How much time do YOU like spending at these places? It would also mean time off work because their hours always seemed to be from 11 to 3, minus an hour for lunch break. Plus I have the added bonus of the fact that I have a bunch of stuff due to expire riiiight when we're getting married. Such as said passport. Which means I before the wedding I need to get a new one so I have it for the honeymoon, and THEN I'll need to get another one with the new name. That's lame. Plus, beyond the laziness stuff, I like my last name.
Should I change it? On the other hand, I do like the idea of changing it. At least a little. But then what do I change it to?
Do I go hyphenated? I could do this. Neither of our last names are particularly long so I wouldn't have a super unwieldy name. But I'm not crazy about hyphenated names. This is mostly coming from having to set up usernames for people in our systems at work and the hypenation always gives us trouble.* And while the name wouldn't be too long, it would still be sort of pain to sign on things. But these are stupid reasons to write this off as an option, which is why I haven't yet. I have a bunch of friends that have gone this route. Besides, as I said above, I like my last name. But I like his name too.
Do I just change the name? This is certainly the expected path. And this is the one that would be the most amusing. See, I'm a little red-headed white girl. Boyfriend+ is part Chinese and his last name is Chen. Which means I would be Alley Chen, which means I could Donna Chang people. And confusing strangers seems like an equally good use of a name change as the whole "so we have the same last name" thing. I should also point out I have a bunch of friends that just changed their name as well.
I would throw out the options that he could change his name, or we could both hyphenate, but those have already been vetoed. I blame society. (I actually have a friend, or really a sibling of a friend, where both she and her husband hyphenated their names and I want to give them both big high fives for that.)
So I haven't come to any decisions yet. I'll probably make them when we're actually getting the marriage license. Or maybe after that, because I'm pretty great at procrastination. And I should point out here that, outside of changing his own name, Boyfriend+ said he's cool with whatever I'd decide. He said he'd like me to change my name to his, but ultimately it's up to me what I want to do and he's not going to be mad or disappointed if I don't change my name.
I also have a couple links I found regarding name changes, that I feel I should share cos they're pretty great.
The first one is from Jezebel's Lindy West who wrote "Men Who Insist You Change Your Name Make Terrible Husbands" and she pretty much nails every thought I've had on the subject cos West is pretty great. I don't like the whole idea and basis behind a woman taking a man's name BUT I do sort of like the idea of taking his name (beyond just the Donna Chang thing).
The second one is from the Vagenda titled "The Penis Perspective: A Wife By Any Other Name..." which is a guy's point of view on the whole name changing thing. Now it's a guy's point of view on a feminist website, so this isn't going to be the average "I want her to take my last name FOR REASONS" as I'm sure you'd get if this were to show up on a typical site. Or you know, in those Men's Health responses West quoted in her piece. I should say for the most part people have been asking me if I'd take his name, rather than assuming I would. So that's nice. Though the part that most hit me here was about the kids' name. The fact that many women would want to change their name so they would have the same name as any future kids, because OF COURSE the kids would take the father's last name. No question there. Which got me angry because I didn't even think of it until it was pointed out. Then I was mad that I hadn't thought of it. Or that I also assumed kids would just take the dad's name and while I'm not saying they couldn't, I'm angry that's the ingrained assumption.
Also, the part about how invitations were being addressed to Mr. and Mrs. His Full Name. No. That shit will not fly. I already got into a (sort of) fight with my mom about this with our wedding invitations. I told her I wouldn't be addressing invitations this way, and each person is getting their own name spelled out. This is mostly an issue with her friends that are invited, and she said they wouldn't care and would expect it to be written Mr. and Mrs. His Name. I said I knew the women better, and also they are their own people, and they're my invitations so this is how it's going. They may not care, but I do.
What do you think? For those of you who are married why did you or didn't you change your name? Did you get a lot of shit for your decision?
*Those and apostrophes in names. You O'Rourkes and O'Tooles are really messing things up. And by that I mean, we didn't program the system to do know what do with an apostrophe in a name. So I guess our fault, but I'm still going to blame you a little.
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Emily · 593 weeks ago
It's still an interesting debate, though, isn't it? especially when you bring in the point of currently-nonexistent-but-possible-future-children and how to name them.
For me it's a no brainer, but lots of feminists don't feel that way. Just do what feels right to you. And remember: you don't have to decide before your wedding. you can always change your name to your husband's name (or to anything else, for that matter) any time you want to.
Sam (Tiny Library) · 593 weeks ago
Apostrophes are a pain though - I remember when I was changing my name on my bank card they would not put the apostrophe in as it wasn't on my system. It's not like it's that uncommon!
Amanda · 593 weeks ago
rivercityreadin 30p · 593 weeks ago
In the end, I ended up changing my name to his, not because I felt forced to or felt society's pressure (I'm actually the only one of my group of friends who has my husband's name), but I wanted to bring us together as a family (cheese alert!). Our names were way too long to hyphenate/combine, so I went with his - but it could have very easily have been the other way around.
But don't let anyone tell you changing your name is easy. It's not - or at least, it wasn't for me (I was changing my name in a state other than the one we got married in, though).
BlueFairy · 593 weeks ago
And then it came time to actually do it, and I started hyperventilating. I realized that no matter how much I loved this guy or how much I was sure I wanted to spend the rest of my life with him, losing my last name felt, to me, like a erasure of self and I already have ISSUES about gender roles in marriage. If he hadn't been open to any combination of options, I wouldn't have married the guy in the first place. So I kept my name, and he kept his. We might reevaluate when we have kids, but that is another day. (My first two instincts are to either hyphenate, even though our names don't work well hyphenated, or to go slightly older/odder school, and girls take my name, boys take his. It's a conversation to have eventually.)
briefraser 73p · 593 weeks ago
As for the process of changing my last name...just so you know, I HATE doing things like this - all the paper work, and time and organization! BUT, honestly, it wasn't that big of a deal (and I'm sure it's not much different to do up here than it is down there). I did my Driver's License first and then slowly went from there. Bank next, then bills, etc. As for my passport though, THAT I cannot bother changing, let alone pay the money to change my passport before it has expired, so when we travel, I book the reservation under my maiden name. You only need to show your passport when you travel, not your DL as well, so I usually just leave my DL at home. When my passport is due for renewal next year, then I will change my name on it.
Or maybe you could keep both last names, but no hypen? My best friend did that...so she has 4 names.
Jenny · 593 weeks ago
Rayna · 593 weeks ago
I don't think I'd change my last name to a future partner's name, but I'd consider changing my name to a different family name. Both my mom's name and my dad's name will be passed to the next generation, via my cousin's son and my brother's future kids. So in terms of longevity, I'm not really worried that either of my two last names are in danger of "dying out".
With or without a marriage, I've actually thought pretty seriously of changing my last name to my maternal grandmother's maiden name. It's a really beautiful Italian name that was forcibly changed at Ellis Island to a pretty generic, anglicized name that I don't particularly like. So there's no one in my family with my grandmother's original maiden name, and I love it so much that I think one day I'd like to make it my last name. Honestly, the only hesitation I have is that my paternal grandmother would probably be offended... But it's still something I think about a lot.
Anyway, sorry for the essay... And I fully support you (and all women) making the name-change choice based on whatever works best for you. Making a choice for yourself -- whether or not it aligns with tradition -- is always the feminist choice.
Emily · 593 weeks ago
When I decided to keep my birth name upon marriage, my mom pointed out that my own name was simply my dad's name and that I shouldn't make a big deal out of tkaing a different man's name and therefore take my husband's name. It may be true that it's my dad's name, but once I was named that, it also became my name, and I do believe that names are a large part of one's identity.
As for keeping 4 names, yes, I believe that is legal in all 50 states. Lots of people have more than one middle name or a double surname without hypenating BUT almost any form that you fill out in life will only have space for one given name, one middle name, and one surname.
Rayna, I love your comments about your maternal grandmother's name. That's a great story.
Alley, I think CLEARLY the most important thing here is that your passport and honeymoon destination airplane tickets be in the SAME name, no matter what that name may be--I've heard too many horror stories about brides whose flights were booked under a married name but the photo ID documents hadn't been changed yet. Clearly being able to go on your honeymoon is the important issue here. ;)
P. S. I also really love that your post generated so many interesting comments and personal stories.
christinasr 34p · 593 weeks ago
In fact, it's quite common here that both the man and the woman change their names so they have the same (sometimes hyphenated) name...
Kayleigh_M 92p · 593 weeks ago
@BookishHabits · 593 weeks ago
Coming up on our 2 year anniversary... STILL haven't fully decided what to do with my name. (Clearly, I haven't changed it ... yet...) His parents freaked out before the wedding when they thought I wouldn't take his name, and came home all, so, you have to change your name b/c of my parents, not me, and I came back with HAHAHAHA no. I keep saying, sure in the future... Maybe. Probably. Possibly.
Thing is, his last name is just cooler than mine, and the children would be pissed at me for imposing my feminist ways and making them suffer with a slightly lesser last name, but, seriously, should I be birthing any children, whatever last name I have at the time will be the one that goes on their birth certificates.
The one compromise I can be satisfied with is if we both move my last name to our second middle names, because if I have to go through this stupid name-change hassle, then, so does he. And the child(ren) will also have it as their second middle name. So. Anyway. That's the plan... if I ever get around to it.
I would recommend leaving this decision (or the execution of a change, should you decide to go that route) until after the honeymoon, at the very least. Planning a wedding and a vacation is enough stress w/o having to worry about what's in a name too. That adds another logistical snag that is so not worth the trouble. It can always be done later.
Laura · 593 weeks ago
I think about this a lot for someone who doesn't even have a boyfriend, but I'm kind of like... I don't really like my last name cause no one knows how to spell it and it gets annoying, BUT I would need to know that my fictional dude was willing to AT least be fine with me keeping my name, then I could probably take his. That sounds massively contrary now that I've put it like that...
Anyway. Your last name is so niiiiiice is the last I'm going to contribute to this. Helpful, I know.
readingrambo 112p · 593 weeks ago
My question is -- wait, if your stuff is expiring around the wedding, doesn't that make it easier to change stuff since you have to go in anyway?
Loni · 593 weeks ago
Some serious reasons, some superficial. It's about doing what makes you the happiest.
Paulo's wife · 593 weeks ago
At the wedding during the father-daughter dance my dad jokingly told me that Paulo should take my name because I have a super small family and there are a million people in Paulo's with his name. He thought it would help even things out. :)
Beth · 593 weeks ago
J also disagreed to change his name for the same reasons I didn't want to change mine: It's our identity. Plus, my last name is awesome. So. I have decided on the hyphenated situation. I thought about our children and didn't want to curse them with some ridiculously long name, so we've decided to give them his last name, and then give one of our children my last name as a middle name (that's what his mother did and she also chose the hyphen).
J never expected me to take his name so I wasn't upset when he didn't want to take mine; although, like you, I know people that have hyphenated names and both taken them and thought it was AWESOME. J is pretty progressive but he just didn't want to part with that identity (plus, he's the last of his line).
I guess it's whatever makes the person comfortable. Although it's the expected norm to take the man's name, I think it just gets too difficult when children come into play, so it's easier to just choose one. Is it Spanish culture that keep a portion of the mother's name and the father's name? That seems ideal. Anyway, glad to see you posted this. Another reason I think you'll love Practical Wedding site (I promise I am not affiliated with them). This month's theme was feminism.. so, yeah, you should check it out.
Oh, and the invitation thing. God. I don't even want to start thinking about that. I think I'll be adding both names too. I'm covered in tattoos and have always dyed my hair crazy so I don't think anyone will be surprised by this! Haha.