Sunday, October 27, 2013

Wedding Update: Name Changing


I had mentioned in an earlier post how I had thoughts about name changing but I would save them for another time. Now seems to be a good time.

See, I'm not really sure what I'd like to do regarding my last name.

Should I keep it? I am lazy, and this route means I don't have to change anything. I've had people tell me it's really not that hard to change your name on things, but you know what? I don't believe any of you. I'm sure these places make it as easy as possible, except I STILL have to go to the DMV. And the passport office. How much time do YOU like spending at these places? It would also mean time off work because their hours always seemed to be from 11 to 3, minus an hour for lunch break. Plus I have the added bonus of the fact that I have a bunch of stuff due to expire riiiight when we're getting married. Such as said passport. Which means I before the wedding I need to get a new one so I have it for the honeymoon, and THEN I'll need to get another one with the new name. That's lame. Plus, beyond the laziness stuff, I like my last name.

Should I change it? On the other hand, I do like the idea of changing it. At least a little. But then what do I change it to?

Do I go hyphenated? I could do this. Neither of our last names are particularly long so I wouldn't have a super unwieldy name. But I'm not crazy about hyphenated names. This is mostly coming from having to set up usernames for people in our systems at work and the hypenation always gives us trouble.* And while the name wouldn't be too long, it would still be sort of pain to sign on things. But these are stupid reasons to write this off as an option, which is why I haven't yet. I have a bunch of friends that have gone this route. Besides, as I said above, I like my last name. But I like his name too.

Do I just change the name? This is certainly the expected path. And this is the one that would be the most amusing. See, I'm a little red-headed white girl. Boyfriend+ is part Chinese and his last name is Chen. Which means I would be Alley Chen, which means I could Donna Chang people. And confusing strangers seems like an equally good use of a name change as the whole "so we have the same last name" thing. I should also point out I have a bunch of friends that just changed their name as well.

I would throw out the options that he could change his name, or we could both hyphenate, but those have already been vetoed. I blame society. (I actually have a friend, or really a sibling of a friend, where both she and her husband hyphenated their names and I want to give them both big high fives for that.)

So I haven't come to any decisions yet. I'll probably make them when we're actually getting the marriage license. Or maybe after that, because I'm pretty great at procrastination. And I should point out here that, outside of changing his own name, Boyfriend+ said he's cool with whatever I'd decide. He said he'd like me to change my name to his, but ultimately it's up to me what I want to do and he's not going to be mad or disappointed if I don't change my name.

I also have a couple links I found regarding name changes, that I feel I should share cos they're pretty great.

The first one is from Jezebel's Lindy West who wrote "Men Who Insist You Change Your Name Make Terrible Husbands" and she pretty much nails every thought I've had on the subject cos West is pretty great. I don't like the whole idea and basis behind a woman taking a man's name BUT I do sort of like the idea of taking his name (beyond just the Donna Chang thing).

The second one is from the Vagenda titled "The Penis Perspective: A Wife By Any Other Name..." which is a guy's point of view on the whole name changing thing. Now it's a guy's point of view on a feminist website, so this isn't going to be the average "I want her to take my last name FOR REASONS" as I'm sure you'd get if this were to show up on a typical site. Or you know, in those Men's Health responses West quoted in her piece. I should say for the most part people have been asking me if I'd take his name, rather than assuming I would. So that's nice. Though the part that most hit me here was about the kids' name. The fact that many women would want to change their name so they would have the same name as any future kids, because OF COURSE the kids would take the father's last name. No question there. Which got me angry because I didn't even think of it until it was pointed out. Then I was mad that I hadn't thought of it. Or that I also assumed kids would just take the dad's name and while I'm not saying they couldn't, I'm angry that's the ingrained assumption.

Also, the part about how invitations were being addressed to Mr. and Mrs. His Full Name. No. That shit will not fly. I already got into a (sort of) fight with my mom about this with our wedding invitations. I told her I wouldn't be addressing invitations this way, and each person is getting their own name spelled out. This is mostly an issue with her friends that are invited, and she said they wouldn't care and would expect it to be written Mr. and Mrs. His Name. I said I knew the women better, and also they are their own people, and they're my invitations so this is how it's going. They may not care, but I do.

What do you think? For those of you who are married why did you or didn't you change your name? Did you get a lot of shit for your decision?

*Those and apostrophes in names. You O'Rourkes and O'Tooles are really messing things up. And by that I mean, we didn't program the system to do know what do with an apostrophe in a name. So I guess our fault, but I'm still going to blame you a little.

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This is high-larious. I never really entertained the idea of taking my husband's name 'cos of feminism. Also out of inherent laziness and not wanting to spend more time at government agencies than I have to (cheers to you on that point). I like it when both parts of a couple hyphenate their names because of the symbolism (two become one, forging a new life and name together, etc) and lack of hierarchy.

It's still an interesting debate, though, isn't it? especially when you bring in the point of currently-nonexistent-but-possible-future-children and how to name them.

For me it's a no brainer, but lots of feminists don't feel that way. Just do what feels right to you. And remember: you don't have to decide before your wedding. you can always change your name to your husband's name (or to anything else, for that matter) any time you want to.
1 reply · active 593 weeks ago
I did change my name, but to be honest I mainly did it because I liked his last name better than mine, which is hardly a deep and philosophical reason! I'm now an O'Hara, and can pretend that I belong in Gone With the Wind, which is awesome :)
Apostrophes are a pain though - I remember when I was changing my name on my bank card they would not put the apostrophe in as it wasn't on my system. It's not like it's that uncommon!
1 reply · active 593 weeks ago
I took my husband's name as well, for complicated personal reasons having to do with having an awful relationship with my father and wanting to start a new family that didn't have nominal ties to him. I totally get the feminist reasons for not wanting to take a man's name, and had I had a great relationship with my dad, I would've kept my original last name. But then again, if you have your dad's last name, you've already taken a man's last name in a certain way, haven't you? COMPLICATED.
1 reply · active 593 weeks ago
Ugh, I lamented over this for so long that I didn't end up doing anything about it for two years after we were married. Mostly, it had to do with my job/moving (I'm a teacher and was looking for a teaching job/needed to have the same name as on my certificate at the time), but also laziness and uncertainty.

In the end, I ended up changing my name to his, not because I felt forced to or felt society's pressure (I'm actually the only one of my group of friends who has my husband's name), but I wanted to bring us together as a family (cheese alert!). Our names were way too long to hyphenate/combine, so I went with his - but it could have very easily have been the other way around.

But don't let anyone tell you changing your name is easy. It's not - or at least, it wasn't for me (I was changing my name in a state other than the one we got married in, though).
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I had a plan. I was a freelancer at the time, established under my name, and I like my name. But I planned to take his name legally, keep my name as a second middle name, and continue to go professionally by my birth name. Pragmatic, practical.

And then it came time to actually do it, and I started hyperventilating. I realized that no matter how much I loved this guy or how much I was sure I wanted to spend the rest of my life with him, losing my last name felt, to me, like a erasure of self and I already have ISSUES about gender roles in marriage. If he hadn't been open to any combination of options, I wouldn't have married the guy in the first place. So I kept my name, and he kept his. We might reevaluate when we have kids, but that is another day. (My first two instincts are to either hyphenate, even though our names don't work well hyphenated, or to go slightly older/odder school, and girls take my name, boys take his. It's a conversation to have eventually.)
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I changed my last name when Jim and I got married. I had always planned to because it was important to me to have the same last name, especially for when we start a family. I do miss my maiden last name at times because it was unique and not common (Binicki), and now I have a very common last name (Fraser). But I like having the same last name. And I've never liked hyphenated last names, so that wasn't even an option.

As for the process of changing my last name...just so you know, I HATE doing things like this - all the paper work, and time and organization! BUT, honestly, it wasn't that big of a deal (and I'm sure it's not much different to do up here than it is down there). I did my Driver's License first and then slowly went from there. Bank next, then bills, etc. As for my passport though, THAT I cannot bother changing, let alone pay the money to change my passport before it has expired, so when we travel, I book the reservation under my maiden name. You only need to show your passport when you travel, not your DL as well, so I usually just leave my DL at home. When my passport is due for renewal next year, then I will change my name on it.

Or maybe you could keep both last names, but no hypen? My best friend did that...so she has 4 names.
2 replies · active 593 weeks ago
I've known people who both changed their names to something completely new when they got married. That idea always sort of appealed to me, even if it is a little wacky. There are lots of fun last names to choose from -- it would be like when I got to choose my confirmation name, except much officialer.
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I have a lot of feelings about name-changing. My mom didn't change her last name when my parents married, and they gave me two last names. I never minded having two last names as a kid, and now I'm very proud of the fact that my mom's last name is part of my name.

I don't think I'd change my last name to a future partner's name, but I'd consider changing my name to a different family name. Both my mom's name and my dad's name will be passed to the next generation, via my cousin's son and my brother's future kids. So in terms of longevity, I'm not really worried that either of my two last names are in danger of "dying out".

With or without a marriage, I've actually thought pretty seriously of changing my last name to my maternal grandmother's maiden name. It's a really beautiful Italian name that was forcibly changed at Ellis Island to a pretty generic, anglicized name that I don't particularly like. So there's no one in my family with my grandmother's original maiden name, and I love it so much that I think one day I'd like to make it my last name. Honestly, the only hesitation I have is that my paternal grandmother would probably be offended... But it's still something I think about a lot.

Anyway, sorry for the essay... And I fully support you (and all women) making the name-change choice based on whatever works best for you. Making a choice for yourself -- whether or not it aligns with tradition -- is always the feminist choice.
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I once contemplated marrying a man whose last name was Haque (which in the south is pronounced more or less like Hawk) and my last name is Crowe, and we talked about getting married and changing both of our names to Bird/Byrd/variation on bird. I've always liked the idea of a couple both changing their name to something new.

When I decided to keep my birth name upon marriage, my mom pointed out that my own name was simply my dad's name and that I shouldn't make a big deal out of tkaing a different man's name and therefore take my husband's name. It may be true that it's my dad's name, but once I was named that, it also became my name, and I do believe that names are a large part of one's identity.

As for keeping 4 names, yes, I believe that is legal in all 50 states. Lots of people have more than one middle name or a double surname without hypenating BUT almost any form that you fill out in life will only have space for one given name, one middle name, and one surname.

Rayna, I love your comments about your maternal grandmother's name. That's a great story.

Alley, I think CLEARLY the most important thing here is that your passport and honeymoon destination airplane tickets be in the SAME name, no matter what that name may be--I've heard too many horror stories about brides whose flights were booked under a married name but the photo ID documents hadn't been changed yet. Clearly being able to go on your honeymoon is the important issue here. ;)

P. S. I also really love that your post generated so many interesting comments and personal stories.
6 replies · active 593 weeks ago
We are not married but when/if we do, I'm keeping my name. I like it way better than his. And he don't want to change his name either. Then we had kids - and for us, the only way to go was hyphenate our last names. They are a part of us both so they have both of our names. So we have three different last names in our small family of four... Maybe not the perfect solution but ...
In fact, it's quite common here that both the man and the woman change their names so they have the same (sometimes hyphenated) name...
1 reply · active 593 weeks ago
As a person with a hyphenated name DO NOT DO IT. Airports don't recognise it, some credit card forms and online payment forms don't either. It's just more work than it's worth. What you could do is what my parents intended to do and keep your surname as a middle name. It basically operates as a hyphenated name without any of the headache.
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We've definitely discussed this a loooot, and you know what? I'm kind of just glad you're thinking about it AT ALL, instead of just being like 'of course I'll take my husbands last name, as he is my lord and master *googly eyes*' (which, of course you wouldn't anyway, but whenever someone gets married on Facebook and change their name THAT SECOND I assume they haven't put a lot of thought into it lol)

I think about this a lot for someone who doesn't even have a boyfriend, but I'm kind of like... I don't really like my last name cause no one knows how to spell it and it gets annoying, BUT I would need to know that my fictional dude was willing to AT least be fine with me keeping my name, then I could probably take his. That sounds massively contrary now that I've put it like that...

Anyway. Your last name is so niiiiiice is the last I'm going to contribute to this. Helpful, I know.
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ALL THESE COMMENTS ARE SO LONG AHHHHHH

My question is -- wait, if your stuff is expiring around the wedding, doesn't that make it easier to change stuff since you have to go in anyway?
1 reply · active 593 weeks ago
I took my hubby's last name, for various reasons. I'm totally a feminist, but having his last name makes things easier and I kind of like his last name better than mine and I still use my maiden name on some things because of laziness... and I do like my maiden names sometimes. I also think the name changing rules are different in Canada. Also, now my name sounds white and I'm not. So, like Alley Chen, but different :)

Some serious reasons, some superficial. It's about doing what makes you the happiest.
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Paulo's wife · 593 weeks ago

So, I really didn't think too much about taking Paulo's name. I liked it enough (although now I have to spell it for everyone and that was not a problem for me before) and I liked that as we started a new little family we both had the same name. I don't feel like I lost who I was before or lost a part of myself. I definitely changed over the past few years but I feel like that was from experiences and not official documents. It wasn't too hard to change it and I got an awesome story about awkward people at the Social Security office from the experience. It made it all worth it!

At the wedding during the father-daughter dance my dad jokingly told me that Paulo should take my name because I have a super small family and there are a million people in Paulo's with his name. He thought it would help even things out. :)
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It seems everyone has feelings on this topic! I like it.

J also disagreed to change his name for the same reasons I didn't want to change mine: It's our identity. Plus, my last name is awesome. So. I have decided on the hyphenated situation. I thought about our children and didn't want to curse them with some ridiculously long name, so we've decided to give them his last name, and then give one of our children my last name as a middle name (that's what his mother did and she also chose the hyphen).
J never expected me to take his name so I wasn't upset when he didn't want to take mine; although, like you, I know people that have hyphenated names and both taken them and thought it was AWESOME. J is pretty progressive but he just didn't want to part with that identity (plus, he's the last of his line).
I guess it's whatever makes the person comfortable. Although it's the expected norm to take the man's name, I think it just gets too difficult when children come into play, so it's easier to just choose one. Is it Spanish culture that keep a portion of the mother's name and the father's name? That seems ideal. Anyway, glad to see you posted this. Another reason I think you'll love Practical Wedding site (I promise I am not affiliated with them). This month's theme was feminism.. so, yeah, you should check it out.

Oh, and the invitation thing. God. I don't even want to start thinking about that. I think I'll be adding both names too. I'm covered in tattoos and have always dyed my hair crazy so I don't think anyone will be surprised by this! Haha.
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