Thursday, May 5, 2016

No Girls Allowed: Book Clubs for Guys

I wasn't planning on posting anything, but I read this article in the NYTimes "Men Have Book Clubs, Too" and thought I'd throw in my two cents because there was a lot of eye-rolling.

To get this out of the way first, I don't think there's anything wrong with guys have a book club. OBVIOUSLY. If guys want to get together with just other guys to talk about books, awesome. Not by rule, but pretty much any book club I've been a part of has been all women. And female dominated seems to be the case, though I have no actual data to back that up. So book club just for guys. No problem there.

But here are some select quotes that promoted said eye-rolling
This is detailed in the Man Book Club’s criteria, on the group’s website: “No books by women about women (our cardinal rule)”.
“I was always a little jealous of my wife’s book clubs,” Mr. McCullough said. “Now our wives are jealous of us. We’ve created something that is more durable. The book club my wife belongs to — there’s a lot of changeover.”
And yet the group has standards. “We are not allowed to suggest books that our mothers have suggested,” Mr. Creagar said. “We had an accident one time. We read ‘Water for Elephants.’ It was a huge mistake.”
 The club rates the books it reads on a five-star system for overall quality, and on a five-hand-grenade system for “manliness.”
Alright, so really it's that first quote, which started the eye-rolling and once that starts it's hard to stop. But SERIOUSLY? The first criterion for this MANLY BOOK CLUB is nothing by or about women? I guess stories by and about men don't get enough attention, so good thing these guys are here.

Then there's so much defensiveness about how this isn't your mother's book club and they have MANLY names like "Man Book Club" or "Ultra Manly Book Club" and how the men's book club is so much better than the book clubs their wives belong to.

Like I said, I think it can be a good thing to have this book club for guys. They make some good points about how some men may want to join existing book clubs that are mostly populated by women but are afraid they'll be intruding on women's space or be stigmatized for being the only guy. One guy talks about how when he mentioned he was in a book club a woman assumed that meant he was gay because straight guys don't join book clubs. And he said he understood the reaction because
“Fiction is designed to examine empathy,” Mr. Nawotka said. “Men aren’t encouraged to talk about their feelings or emotions in public.
This is a good reason to make book clubs for guys. And a reminder that people shouldn't assume reading means you're not masculine (because what is that even?) and remove the stigma of guys joining book clubs. Tackling toxic masculinity? I am ALL FOR THAT. Of course the method of tackling it seems like we're taking two steps forward and one step back.

Maybe I'm being ridiculous. Let the guys have their Boy Book Club and their girls have cooties (or boring/unrelatable points of view) book choices and whatever else they want (soap in black packaging so their masculinity stays in tact while showering and stuff like that I assume).

What do you think?

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Preposterous, I think. I did enjoy the hashtag of Male Book Club Names though. I wish I could remember the best ones now! I should have written them down. There were a few that were genuinely delightful. The internet at its charming-ass best.
1 reply · active 462 weeks ago
Well now I'm going to need to search through that hashtag. The ones in the story had no imagination
Dude. I have nothing against dudes getting together and talking about books because please! Send me a man who wants to talk about books and I will marry him! But excluding women AND books by and about women (what even?) seems to be kind of against what reading is all about, ie experiencing things that we won't in real life and trying to genuinely understand other people (even women).

Basically I have nothing against the groups but they are DOING IT WRONG. The end.
3 replies · active 461 weeks ago
Right?!?! I just cannot figure out the dismissal. I can see saying we won't read certain genres, or better, focus on the genres they do focus on but to just say "by or about women? NOPE" seems so ignorant. And as you said, against the point of reading and experiencing something new
It's totally because "ew girl books are all about romance and teen vampires and garbage" we want to read TRUE literature. The dig at Water for Elephants points to that. I bet you a million bucks they've read women who wrote under pen names though and didn't even realise it - or have made exceptions and read Frankenstein but justify it by saying Percy Shelley and Byron probably "really" wrote it when they were at the Villa Diodati.
AH I didn't even think of pen names. I hope they accidentally read SO MANY LADIES. Except I bet they do extensive research to make sure they don't accidentally read anything by or about women. Cos THAT would be a disaster.

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