Thursday, December 6, 2012

Can a man still be brave if he is afraid?

When you have something as popular as Game of Thrones, you can’t help but go into it with expectations. Here are the things I “knew” about Game of Thrones before starting the first book:

1. It’s a fantasy so there will be lots of world building and foreign lands and people with ridiculous names
2. George R.R. Martin hates you and thus every time you get attached to a character, he offs him. The lesson is EVERYTHING YOU LOVE WILL DIE
3. Thar be dragons. But these aren’t your everyday dragons because THESE were breastfed by a lady.
4. To build off point 3, Martin has some weeeird sex things in this. They’re mostly awkward and uncomfortable.
5. Even for non-fantasy fans, the series is addictive

Having now read the first book I would like to answer these expectations

1. There's sorta world building but not Tolkien levels and the characters are names that aren't as ridiculous as I thought. It's more like every name is one letter off from a common one now (Mychal, Tyrion) OR they have names that are common now (Brandon, Jamie*)
2. Eh on this one. Or I didn't connect with the characters enough. Or I'm heartless.
3. I feel like to answer this I should say "spoiler" but given it was already an expectation I had going in, I don't really know how to handle this. So sorry, if you didn't already have that expectation. Now you do. I blame TV for telling me this detail already.
4. YUP! Not as much sexy time as the show has (so I've heard) but it's there. And it's awkward. And I think someone needs to give GRRM a lesson on female anatomy cos he makes a few errors on how lady parts work.
5. Well...

I decided to give A Game of Thrones a try cos I kept hearing good things and also I was at the airport and needed a new book to download and this was one of the cheaper ones. So I started it wanting to read it, but I also couldn't help but make a lot of sarcastic comments at it. Well in my Kindle notes.** I couldn't help but make sarcastic comments throughout the whole book, but they lessened as I got more and more into the story.

The book is about a game of thrones (get it! like the title!) in a feudal world with Kings and Lords and probably serfs, although they don't get any page time. The story is told from various points of views:
Lord Eddard (Ned) Stark, Lord of Winterfell,
his bastard son Jon Snow,
his wife Catelynn, his daughters Sansa and Arya,
his non-bastard son Bran,
Tyrion Lannister the Queen's brother who is also a dwarf and the best character, and
 Daenerys (Dany) Targaryen Queen/Khaleesi of a group outside of the whole King guy.
So yeah, there are a lot of story lines and characters to keep straight. Sometimes the stories intersect, sometimes they go off on their own. A character list and plot outline would have been helpful at times, though overall it's easier to keep up with than I anticipated.

The basic story: King Robert appoints Ned as Hand of the King so he and his daughters go to the Kings castle while his wife and their other children stay behind. Except his bastard son who gets sent to be a guard on a wall and has to give up his family. Oh and the Queen is really not to be trusted and no one does trust her so you'd think this wouldn't be a problem but yeah. No one seems to trust any of her family, the Lannisters, but they're all super powerful and there's a lot of them so I guess that's why they cause so many problems. There's also a separate story about Dany being sold to the Dothraki horse people so her brother can reclaim the throne and become king.

I wouldn't call myself a fantasy fan but I did enjoy this. There's a lot of stuff about knights and fighting and swords and armor (though I found skimming through the armor & weapons descriptions made things better) and battles and honor and all that jazz that you expect to find in a novel like this. There are less fantasy elements that I was expecting but there are still dragons and these weird Others wandering the woods. But there's also (most of the time) a very human element. Sure some of the characters I didn't really connect with and I wish they had been done better, but there were those whose chapters made it worth slogging through drawn out battle scenes.

I probably will read more of the books in the series (which I just learned while writing this is called A Song of Ice and Fire and not A Game of Thrones with this book being called Ice & Fire) but I'm  not rushing to start the next one. I do want to watch the show and I've been told Season 1 = Book 1, Season 2 = Book 2, etc so I'm safe to watch season 1 without spoilers.

*He's supposed to be really fearsome but I have some trouble taking a knight named Jamie seriously. Sorry.
** EXAMPLES: "Jon was slender where Robb was muscular, dark where Robb was fair, graceful and quick where his half brother was strong and fast" - I don't think "fast" is the opposite of "quick", sir.
"They were slaves...There was no slavery in the free city of Pentos. Nonetheless, they were slaves" - Um what? so there is no slavery but there ARE slaves? That's not...I think you're confused.
"Damn the man!" - Save the Empire!

Title quote from location 2717

Martin, George R.R. A Game of Thrones. Bantam, 2003. Kindle edition.

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I'm glad you didn't go super-crazy over it, because I would like some people in my camp of Basically Ignoring Game of Thrones.

I really, reeeeally don't like GRRM.

Kindle notes - always good.

(p.s. Lena Headey as Cersei yesssssssssss)
1 reply · active 645 weeks ago
Kindle notes are the best, even if I only use them to make sarcastic comments at the text. Which I'm pretty sure is the intended use.

We'll see how "basically ignoring" game of thrones goes when I see the show. I make no promises since I think I like fantasy tv shows/movies more than I like the books. (If LotR is any indication.)
I haven't seen any of the tv series yet, but I liked the first couple of books. The 4th was REALLY slow, but it was also only half of the storyline & I missed my favorite characters. Tyrion & Jon Snow are the best :)
1 reply · active 645 weeks ago
I wonder if I'll make it to the 4th book, especially knowing Tyrion & Snow aren't around as much. I NEED them (and Danni and Arya) to break up some of the more boring righteousness.
I have been meaning to read the first book in the series for a really long time. I am hoping to start reading it soon. I have heard so many good things about it, I want to see if it is as good as everyone says. I am glad you ended up enjoying it!
1 reply · active 645 weeks ago
Good luck with it! I hope you end up enjoying it. Have you seen the series at all?
I found the first really engaging, and quite a page -turner, which surprised me given how thick it is. It's better-written than most fantasy best-sellers, and much more focused on clever political machinations and relationships than others in the genre as well. Which makes it sound boring, but it definitely kept me turning pages. This is a fantasy novel that IS a bit different, mostly in ways I appreciate.

I, too, was a little taken aback by the way Martin treated sex/rape. Not because of the prudish thing, I don't think; more because I really wondered if he was hurting the cause of women by the way he was writing about them. I'd love to read a feminist critique of the series.

My main reason for not continuing, though, is what I've read about subsequent sequels: that they fail to follow through on storylines and generally become less interesting than the earlier novels. Which is a bit of a killer with such long novels, in my opinion.
1 reply · active 645 weeks ago
I was surprised how much of a page turner it was. Well until the end when I started to lose interest in all the battles. I don't really read much fantasy so I couldn't say how this compared to others but interesting to know this one is different from them.

I would also like to read a feminist critique of the series and I fear it wouldn't be too positive. Even at times when it seemed like Martin was trying to make a positive case for women it felt like he really missed the mark. And then the rape stuff...

Sad to hear the rest of the series isn't as interesting as the first one. Whomp. I'll probably give the next book a try but if things don't work out I don't think I'll be too upset to DNF
Excellent post. I read Game of Thrones after I started my blog, but I haven't reviewed it because HOW? But the expectations going in and how the book compared to them is genius. Good thinking, that.

I really liked this book. And I'm a few chapters into the second one (which I will go ahead and keep calling Game of Thrones idon'tcare), and so far it's just as great. Tyrion and Arya are definitely my favs.
1 reply · active 645 weeks ago
Thank you! This was a difficult one to review. Cos I mean really...

For the LONGEST time (like up until I was writing this) I though the series was called "A Game of Thrones" and the first book was called "A Song of Ice and Fire". So yeah, I'm going to continue referring to the series as "Game of Thrones".
There's this part of me that wants to read this just, BECAUSE. Like, what am I missing out on? But then I think, WHAT A TIME INVESTMENT. How long did it take you to read? I haven't watched the show yet either, but I'm thinking I might just prefer to watch it....I've also heard that while the seasons follow each book, after season 1, the show really starts to stray from the book...and has more (awkward sex). Just what viewers want! Awkward sex!
2 replies · active 645 weeks ago
It took about 2 weeks to read it. It is something like 820 pages so NOT SMALL but it's actually a pretty quick read. I don't know how the other books will be, but we'll see if/when I tackle them.

I heard the show stays ridiculously close to the books. Like scenes are lifted word for word. Maybe it differs more as the story goes on. That was in an article about how The Walking Dead completely differs from the comic, so maybe GoT does stray just less than WD does.

When I think of Game of Thrones awk sex scenes, I think of this SNL sketch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1w4CRMQVtY
YES! I was thinking of that exact same skit but was too lazy to go and find the link. I guess you get to be the one to tell us if the show stays true to the books! ;)
I was iffy about this one too, even after I started it, but got into it as it went on. The second one really hooked me though - that's my favorite of the first 3. And I love your title quote - I really liked that bit in the novel. Now can season 2 just come out on dvd?! (Yes, I still buy DVDS - not a fan of pirating.)
1 reply · active 645 weeks ago
Yeah after I started this one for awhile I was like "Oh no, what have I gotten myself into." I was happy when the story started to pick up.

I still need to check out the show. If Netflix could just put their entire inventory on streaming, that'd be neat.
I kind of reaaaaally don't like fantasy books (or, at least, I really don't like it when Stephen King does it, but that's another matter) so I'm totally ok with not having read this. I totally snorted at your kindle notes though- FAST AND QUICK ARE THE SAME, FOOL!

I suspect this dude has possibly never seen any lady parts, so... That explains that!
1 reply · active 645 weeks ago
I can't say I've read a lot of fantasy to say "No you should totally read this cos it's way different than the normal stuff" or "AVOID. Must love fantasy to like this" so I'm in no way helpful.

This one part I wanted to be like "OK so, I can understand your confusion but no, they don't work that way. You couldn't just have a lady look over that part and make corrections? No. K, neat."
I should start reading the books. I hate it every time a Game of Thrones season ends. It leaves me hanging for months.
1 reply · active 605 weeks ago
I can only recommend the first 2 books since that's all I've read but they're entertaining. I haven't seen the show yet (well except episode 1) but will fix that. Eventually.

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